Out of Char -- Q&A, comments, stuff

[blacksky90]

just kidding i know how much i want i have 5000 grams and it takes 10 to do something or higher for trickier things(edit my post to do so) and i can make more if i find 1 gram of potatoe stem, rose petal, and parsley. Makes 1 serving(lol sounds like a cookbook)

[Cynder]

that's 5 kilos..... aprox 11 lbs just of liquid (not counting containers), 5 liters..... aprox 1 1/3 gals.... hmmmmm. A glass vial (1" wide by 2" high) would contain about 1 oz of liquid. So unless I did my math wrong 5000g would be about 21 vials. Lets make a vial hold 250g & that makes 20vials.

Sounds a bit much, but I suppose if that is the only equip you have.... You might want to take fewer vials of this & leave room for something else -- would be more versatile, but it is your choice.

As for the recipe..... I don't think potatoes, rose petals & parsley would be concentrated enough.

Ever heard of worm tea? Latest thing for gardeners & people who want to compost their kitchen scraps.... a bin with a stoppered hole in the bottom is filled with shredded newspaper & a bunch of red worms & then people put in kitchen scraps (& sometimes more shredded paper). The worms eat the stuff & turn it in to highly concentrated fertilizer (doesn't even smell!).

The hole in the bottom is there, 'cause the worm 'tea' (actually worm pee) has to be drained off or the whole thing turns nasty. The worm 'tea' is really really concentrated & has to be mixed with water before putting on plants. How about something like that stuff?

Bat Guano (bat poop) is also supposed to be very highly concentrated fertilizer. So is Chicken excretment.

To make it possible to get the stuff in game.... how about a recipe that involves boiling 3 different kinds of poop with 10 times the water overnight (while constantly stirring). Would be noxious work but... then again, this is potent stuff! Maybe 1 from something that flys, 1 from something that walks & 1 from something that doesn't have legs.

A dose would be a vial mixed with water (say a flask of water - 2 cups -- 1/2 liter). Potency..... How about: dip a bean in a vial, plant it & mix the rest of the vial up with water & pour on the ground around it & it would grow from seed to fruiting plant over night. that's about a 100x growth.

Will this work for you?

[blacksky90]

works for me and ill take all 20 i should need them alot and if i run out of space i can drop them right? my plans are already coming together...now i just need the right opportunity

[magicmuffin]

superbattler said:

lets see, i would need to be able t use new spells. what kind of spells shouldn't be to hard. finding a way to use them might be tho...

How do you mean? Like finding an energy source?

[superbattler]

diffrent kinds of spells, like ice or somthing.

[magicmuffin]

Ice: you could have a spell that freezes the enemy or at least slows him down with a chance of him breaking into icy chunks if someone hits him
or
shoot magical ice missiles/arrows
or
a shower of icicles right where the enemy stands (although he could move away from it)
btw, I'm totally stealing these spells from a game I'm playing right now: Champions of Norrath on XBox.

[magicmuffin]

Re: Which way Garrumph is tugging...I'm at a loss on how to describe it...been pondering it since yesterday.

[Cynder]

I was assuming (since no one said anything different) that Garrumph was successful at directing the group & the whole group has been moving as a concerted team in the direction Garrumph first indicated. (that's why you've all made so much progress!)

Take a 5 from either a dice or a playing card. Notice how there is a middle dot & four corner dots?

Well... Frizelious is the middle dot. Garrumph is in one corner and Garrumph is next to Coal. On Garrumph's other side is SuperBattler. Blacksky is totally on the other side of Frizelious from Garrumph.

So.... If Garrumph were to push straight into Frizelious that would move the group toward Blacksky or... Garrumph could be pulling the group straight toward her..... or pushing to one side (toward Coal) or to the other (toward SuperBattler).

I was asking because I needed to account for the results of one of Blacksky's actions. I can work the result without your decision... I just thought it would be more fun for your choice to contribute to the result

So make a choice... if you want.... or just leave it up to me if you want.....it's not a life or death kinda thing.

[Cynder]

Blacksky --- what kind of seed did you drop?

[blacksky90]

grape vine hoped to grow a vine so could have actions during wind

[magicmuffin]

Go ahead and make the decision Cynder if you haven't already...

[blacksky90]

Cyder are the walls good i think you should decide that if yes then keet it happpen if not maybe message coal?

[Cynder]

okay, Magic

Blacksky..... um.... a grape plant will take a while to grow a vine strong enough to climb on, even with your 200x fertilizer. The 200x will get you a 100 days (a summer) of growth overnight.

A grapevine will grow quite a bit during one summer, but the vines are thin & green & take years to get thick and hard (they are not particularly strong - just very long-lived). You'd probabably need at least 10-yr-old vines to climb.

If we are generous and say 3 vials (300 days)/year of growth --- that's 30 vials & 15 days!

A kiwi vine is much faster & stronger (and gets taller), but I still wouldn't try climbing one that was less than 4 years old. Still, that's 12 vials and 6 days, which is much better.... but I'm sure it is not what you had in mind.

Would you like to choose a different seed? (don't forget you can google.... see what you can find & just remember 100days of growth for 1 night & 1 vial) We haven't talked about what seeds you have.... I encourage you to google & come up with a list... I'll be generous).

You have a little time --- it'll take an hour of game time for the seed to sprout & start growing (each hour is about a week of normal growth). It's been about 5 min since you dropped the seed.

[blacksky90]

I found something like kiwi that grows very large. If i decided to grow this without fruit for 4 days it should be about 400 feet long. It could weave to make hand holds for maybe 200-250 feet and then i would spend 4 viles and spend 1 night. The list of my plants will come shortly

[blacksky90]

Sclerocactus glaucus-Very thorny, needles* and throwing

Tanacetum parthenium-plant is used to treat a wide range of disorders including toothache, insect bites, rheumatism, arthritis, fever, migraine, asthma, headache, stomachache

Saponaria officinalis L.-gentle effective cleaner

Iris versicolor-the leaves of the iris may have some medicinal properties as well; bruised, fresh leaves are used externally for burns and sores

Grape** and kiwi***vines

oleander****-extremely poisinous plant. Even small amounts can kill.


*like sewing up wounds
**All fruit can be food
***relatives
****plz dont use this aginst me later but i thought you might want to know i keep 2 of my vials along with my poison in a compartment of my dagger

[superbattler]

be careful with the dagger, if you accidentely hit us we could die.

[Cynder]

blacksky90 said:

I found something like kiwi that grows very large. If i decided to grow this without fruit for 4 days it should be about 400 feet long. It could weave to make hand holds for maybe 200-250 feet and then i would spend 4 viles and spend 1 night. The list of my plants will come shortly

I hate to say this but.... I think there must be something wrong with your math, because this doesn't sound reasonable.

The fertilizer would only help a plant grow 200x faster. What you are proposing is that this plant would naturally grow at the rate of 10feet/day. I don't think that is reasonable. Can you give me a name of a real plant that does that? If so, I will reconsider. But for now, I can't allow this. It would unbalance the game too much.

Also.... kiwis DON'T fruit for at least 7 years (mine didn't until it was 10) - that's why they grow so fast... so you are right, that delaying fruiting would help, but in this case the plant was already doing that. I think I was already erring on the side of generousity by saying 12 vials and 6 days (Please remember that it takes 1 vial for 1 night - so a full day and night would be 2 vials).

If you will remember... I did warn you that working with growing plants would not be useful in combat, nor would it be fast. The 'magic' on this world is not video game magic --- there are no miracles.

[Cynder]

Blacksky --- the plants:

P. Succulentum --- all references I found to this called it a type of moss common in Britain. I suspect you wanted a cactus of some sort. Take a look at www.cactiguide.com -- some nice pics of spines.

Tanacetum Parthenium --- feverfew -- good choice! Since it grows quickly.... how about we say 1 vial not only can grow it in 12 hours, but can make it particularly potent. So it will work as an anti-toxin for moderate (not extreme) poisons, to reduce fevers and to decrease moderate pain.

Saponaria officinalis L --- soapwort --- nice! yep, leaves can be used for a soap, shampoo, cleanser. Another fast grower. How about 1/2 vial & 6 hours?

Iris versicolor -- blue flag --- um.... well, it'll make someone throw up! & is used as a diuretic.... If you want something for external use - how about Aloe for burns & sores?

Kiwi - yep, probably your best bet for growing vines, but stilll slow!

Grape -- if you want fruit -- how about just some veggies? they'd be much faster!

oleander - pretty toxic if eaten, but wouldn't work for a topical poison (putting on a dagger), but if you want it.... you can have it.

Suggestion ---- how about instead of focusing on trying to grow the plants.... why not be more of an alchmist/herboligist? That way, you could have some stores of dried & preserved & vials of distilled things.

Would be far easier to whip out something like that, than to wait to grow what you need & then make the decoction. Instead of having seeds of these thiings you could have the stuff in a form ready to be used. Dried herbs are also much lighter & take up less space than a vial. Nor would you have to be carrying the water to dilute the fertilizer with & to water your plants.

If you want to go this route ---- I would allow you some topical poison for your dagger (but please understand, I can't allow you any guaranteed lethal poison --- poison does not affect all creatures the same).

If I understand you correctly.... you want a secret compartment in your dagger hilt that can hold a vial of poison? okay... but I don't think there would be room for more than 1 vial and you will still have to pull it out and apply it to the dagger in order to make the dagger poisoned (and there will be a chance that you will get some on yourself if you try to do this quickly).

hmmmmm....... full potency for the first minute after application and then still poisonous, but less effective for the next 1 hour. Also, it could be rubbed off (pretty much a one use item). The vial would have to be pretty small to fit into the hilt so.... let's say you have 10 applications in the vial.

[blacksky90]

sry about that
VELVET BEAN. MUCUNA.
A fast growing tropical vine to 60 ft
www.boldweb.com/greenweb/vines.htm

[Cynder]

thanks

went to the site.... seems to be a tropical legume that is used as a groundcover but is a liana. 60 ft, but doesn't say how long it takes to get that long & the vines do not look very strong.

I followed up with the liana lead & that seems to be the generic term for woody vined plants (grapes & kiwis are lianas!). But all of them seem to follow the same pattern --- if they are fast, they still need several years to harden & thicken the vines to a strong support.

I think I will have to stand by the 6 days and 12 vials to create a vine structure large enough to reach to the top of this cavern. Sorry.....

However, I must say.... this whole liana idea is rather intriguing & might be very useful on a smaller scale. The mucuna legume (bean) idea is also a real good idea for a fast growing & covering a large area sort of thing. (problem is that your cavern is rather big -- think stadium - football field - that sort of large-sized area - hence the 12vials & 6 days).